Trans Activist Who Confronted Rose McGowan Would Do It Again, ‘But Better’

Rose McGowan, who first went public with accusations against Harvey Weinstein and sparked the #MeToo movement, tweeted Friday she is canceling all future engagements following a contentious confrontation with a transgender activist in New York City.

Andi Dier made headlines challenging McGowan about transphobia and feminism Wednesday. She told The Daily Beast if given the chance, shed confront the actress all over again, but do it better.

Video of the shouting match between Dier and McGowan at a Manhattan Barnes & Noble went viral, showing the women trading invectives with each other.

And on Friday, McGowan turned her ire to her publicists, management and even the audience at that event in another tweet, blaming them for complicity.

Trans women are dying and you said that we, as trans women, are not like regular women, Dier shouted from the back of the room, Wednesday night, to McGowan who was seated on a small stage. We get raped more often. We go through domestic violence more often. There was a trans woman killed here a few blocks from here. I have been followed home.

Hold on, McGowan interrupted. So am I. We are the same. My point was, we are the same. Theres an entire show called ID channel, a network, dedicated to women getting abused, murdered, sexualized, violated, and youre a part of that, too, sister. Its the same, McGowan said.

But Dier wasnt done. You do nothing for them, she said. Trans women are in mens prisons. And what have you done for them? she asked.

What have you done for women? McGowan said, and shouted at Dier to sit down.

Within seconds, security officers told Dier to leave and misgendered by calling her sir, then dragged her from the audience as she shouted, White cis feminism!

After Dier was taken away, McGowan broke down and flew into a rage as she defended herself and bared her feelings about being attacked publicly.

Dont label me, sister, McGowan shouted at Dier. Dont put your labels on me. Dont you fing do that. Do not put your labels on me. I dont come from your planet. Leave me alone. I do not subscribe to your rules. I do not subscribe to your language. You will not put labels on me or anybody. Step the f back. What I do for the fing world and you should be fing grateful. Shut the f up. Get off my back. What have you done? I know what Ive done, God dammit.

Her rant grew more intense despite efforts by members of the audience to show her support.

Im not crying, Im fing mad with the lies. Im mad that you put s on me because I have a fing vagina and Im white or Im black or Im yellow or Im purple. F off. All of us want to say it. I just do.

And you can label this thing as a breakdown. That, motherfers, is a breakdown. Maybe not for me, but for you. I might have information you want. I might know s that you dont. So fing shut up. Please systemically. For once. In the world. You know what Im talking about. Just tell the God damned truth. Stop boxing everybody into s. I didnt agree to your cis fing world. Ok? F off.

Dier told the Daily Beast that she did have sympathy and compassion for McGowans breakdown, but believes the essential reason her words triggered the actress and author was her own transphobia.

Her trauma was caused by men, Dier said. And I feel personally that maybe she has a traumatic response because she really does see us as men.

So what would Dier, who like McGowan is a survivor of sexual abuse, have done differently?

What I would have liked to have said to her, when she told me she was followed home, I would have told her that when shes followed home, what shes afraid of is being sexually assaulted. Well, Im afraid of being sexually assaulted followed by being murdered.

Im fully prepared for the TERFs [so-called trans-exclusionary radical feminists] to come after me like theyve already done before, Dier added.

In response to a question posed by this reporter about the confrontation, McGowan tweeted that I did my best.

When Dier stood up during McGowans talk, she asked the actress and author to explain comments she made on RuPauls Whats The Tee? podcast in July, that Dier and others have labeled transphobic.

"They assume because they felt like a woman on the inside. That's not developing as a woman. That's not growing as a woman, that's not living in this world as a woman and a lot of the stuff I hear trans complaining about, yeah, Welcome to the world."

Actress Alexandra Grey told The Daily Beast she is one of those who took offense at McGowans comment.

I am a black trans woman of color and now an actress in the public eye, so I was very much offended by Ms. McGowans comments on [Ru Pauls podcast], said Grey. I think people just need to learn to watch what they say. Its not necessaryto say welcome to the world. We are in no way asking to be put on a pedestal; in fact we would prefer if people with an opinion just keep their mouths closed. Because they know nothing about what it's like to be us.

McGowan told Trevor Noah on The Daily Show Thursday that she was convinced Dier wasnt there as a transgender woman, but as a plant, claiming Harvey Weinstein and his defenders hired Dier to attack her.

I know it was a plant because people saw that [person] being handed off, she said. Somebody came in to harass me, and scream, and the other person was filming [gestures to show someone with a camera on their shoulder]. It was targeted and orchestrated, a Russian bot thing, they are basically after me.

No, said Dier, denying she was a plant, after a long laugh. Im not powerful enough to know someone like Weinstein. I live in a closet in East New York.

Also, fuck that rapist, she added. (Weinstein has denied the many allegations of sexual assault made against him, some currently the subject of police investigations in the U.S. and Britain, claiming there is a "wealth of evidence" to prove their "patent falsity.")

"Rose McGowan is clearly suffering after having long endured the kind of trauma I wouldn't wish on anyone, said transgender actress, writer, producer and activist Jen Richards, who voiced a concern that the confrontation is being used as just more sensational fodder instead of sincere efforts to heal divisions.

The media's fixation with her in particular does not seem motivated by a serious concern for the issue of systemic gender inequality and sexual harassment, much less the relationship of trans issues to intersectional feminism, but rather yet another instance of a preference for distracting spectacle. As with all women who have suffered at the hands of misogyny, I hope she finds healing and peace.

While Dier has found a wealth of online support from the transgender community for confronting McGowan, not everyone is so positive.

I was so upset by this, YouTube personality and transgender advocate Maia Monet told The Daily Beast. I can't see this as a win for us. She makes us look like asshole bullies. The general public is going to read it and go that trans person was an asshole for making Rose cry. Can't they see she's been abused and is fighting for women?

"I think Rose is a supporter that is just a bit ignorant of a few things. Attacking her for her blind spots is how your turn a potential powerful ally into an enemy. You take a wounded animal and back it into a corner, the results aren't going to be pretty.

I do believe the entire exchange could have happened in a more loving and compassionate way, said Grey. This was a moment for two women from different backgrounds to have a teaching moment. I think Andi had an opportunity there to truly ask and confront Rose, but the approach, to me, came off very hostile.

"I understand the passion and hurt. So let's have a discussion and figure out how we can all come together to stop the abuse, the murder, etc. Let's not make statements that are offensive of each other. Let's celebrate each other and uplift."

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